tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1668731454857654821.post4042065457848105878..comments2024-02-01T13:13:31.933+02:00Comments on ..so they dance!: Chak De India and its feminist glitches.veracioushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14437521137603205617noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1668731454857654821.post-29640907521993216602015-12-06T16:04:58.561+02:002015-12-06T16:04:58.561+02:00I do not consider the involvement of Kabir Khan...I do not consider the involvement of Kabir Khan's marvellous talent stand in between the movie being called a completely feminist one. The reason I say so is that feminism never ever in its entire time of being on this beautiful planet called Earth claimed that it means singular power of women. It has always aimed at bringing man and woman working as colleagues (which we see in the movie very clearly). Yes, it is true that the victory of the girls' team could not have been brought out without the intervention of the coach Kabir Khan but, of course, we always need a coach if we have a sports team. And Kabir, in that sense, is not an unnecessary excess in the movie. And most importantly, we must not forget that even the girls play excellent hockey and help Kabir Khan wipe out the mark of being a national traitor. Surely, Kabir could not have done that without the help of the girls. So, the movie is indeed a feminist one. So, who's disagreeing?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18420528250475387573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1668731454857654821.post-26693648660466785662009-06-29T23:15:47.059+03:002009-06-29T23:15:47.059+03:00dolphin - No prob. Respectful disagreement is okay...dolphin - No prob. Respectful disagreement is okay, but good to know you appreciate my viewpoint as well.<br /><br />@lankr1ta - Very good point. I think the fact both parties are outsiders and underdogs is an important theme in the movie, not to mention common in sports movies in general.<br /><br />Pessimissimo - It's funny, before @lankr1ta pointed it out, I hadn't even considered that the typical reaction would be to have the male character "rescue" the girls. Interesting indeed..veracioushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14437521137603205617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1668731454857654821.post-21014732145091769912009-06-25T07:43:55.876+03:002009-06-25T07:43:55.876+03:00I'd like to second @lankr1ta's comment. Th...I'd like to second @lankr1ta's comment. The point of the McDonald's scene is precisely that Kabir Khan <i>doesn't</i> jump in (at least initially). Whether you feel the women's reaction is justified or not (and I'm firmly in the former category) it was about the women finding solidarity with one another. If that takes a few loudmouth jerks getting unmercifully thrashed and a corporate chain restaurant getting thoroughly trashed, then so be it.Pessimisissimohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04223566131580795337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1668731454857654821.post-42982542991641381822009-06-25T05:42:47.787+03:002009-06-25T05:42:47.787+03:00What I liked about the film was how an oppressed b...What I liked about the film was how an oppressed being SRK as the disgraced coach, got together with other outcasts- the girls whom no one cared for- you know in spirit and together they made it big team work. I saw it as being very empowering, overt regional caricatures notwithstanding. And the thrashing scene was one of my favorite ones. I preferred SRK not jumping and "rescuing" the women.Dr. Ally Critterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04191162451745534259noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1668731454857654821.post-80615314917626248082009-06-24T19:17:57.119+03:002009-06-24T19:17:57.119+03:00@veracious
i'm not criticizing you for interp...@veracious<br /><br />i'm not criticizing you for interpreting the way you did... you're a keen observer.<br /><br />Cheers!author_number_2https://www.blogger.com/profile/06885037429065858139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1668731454857654821.post-80564292283188893842009-06-24T19:15:13.674+03:002009-06-24T19:15:13.674+03:00BollywoodFan - That's a fair point, about the ...BollywoodFan - That's a fair point, about the Bindia propositioning Kabir in that one scene. That's the kind of sexual harassment that happens in offices, I suppose to both sexes, but not on public transportation or the street.<br /><br />Yves - Good call, when I have some days off I'll try to work on one. :)<br /><br />Anon - Wow! Thanks for the info.<br /><br />Dolphin - They're not so much reservations as they are interpretations, things I picked up on. I still fiercely love the movie.veracioushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14437521137603205617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1668731454857654821.post-1927475063783621642009-06-24T19:06:58.321+03:002009-06-24T19:06:58.321+03:00Interesting to read your reservations about the mo...Interesting to read your reservations about the movie. but i don't agree with it. kabir khan provides the necessary details for the team to prosper because he knows he's faltered at some point in his life (we shouldn't forget that this is a real-life incident).<br /><br />secondly, it is not uncommon of such kind of reaction such as the one in McD. we often get irritated at the remarks and would lose no time to raise our hand on the perpetrators.author_number_2https://www.blogger.com/profile/06885037429065858139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1668731454857654821.post-70914143494924561132009-06-23T12:21:38.906+03:002009-06-23T12:21:38.906+03:00PS:*hit submit prematurely.*
I agree with Anita t...PS:*hit submit prematurely.*<br /><br />I agree with Anita that the girls and the coach both needed each other, to prove something, and I appreciate this angle much more than I would have if it had been an all female thing with not needing a man or vice versa.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1668731454857654821.post-18062964413691369432009-06-23T12:13:13.259+03:002009-06-23T12:13:13.259+03:00I don't think that scene at Mc Donald's wa...I don't think that scene at Mc Donald's was an overreaction. Such things happen in India. Not only a group of girls like this but ones brothers or other male members of your family can easily react which may lead to bigger things.<br /><br />I speak from experience not just mine but some friends' too. ;-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1668731454857654821.post-18916620260438464932009-06-22T01:03:47.153+03:002009-06-22T01:03:47.153+03:00Hi Sanni,
Do you have a list of the films you'...Hi Sanni,<br />Do you have a list of the films you've reviewed? Sometimes I'm looking for certain movies in the various blogs I visit, and I've made a list of the review pages found here and there: it would be great if you had one!<br />thanks<br />yvesyveshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12975451635895715233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1668731454857654821.post-22902490744648838832009-06-21T23:29:27.996+03:002009-06-21T23:29:27.996+03:00This comment has been removed by the author.Bollywoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11296407098387050782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1668731454857654821.post-91500904820719579062009-06-21T12:10:16.083+03:002009-06-21T12:10:16.083+03:00bollywooddeewana - I don't mind sports movies ...bollywooddeewana - I don't mind sports movies having predictable endings. For me it's more about the ride than anything...<br /><br />Anita - I think before anything, even the most hardcore feminist sees characters as characters. But viewing gender can be a really interesting experience, especially for a film that invites it. Your viewpoint makes a lot of sense to me, too, though.veracioushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14437521137603205617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1668731454857654821.post-48400817934347543132009-06-20T18:52:45.222+03:002009-06-20T18:52:45.222+03:00The thing is that I never saw this movie as a stor...The thing is that I never saw this movie as a story about WOMEN and how they fought against a society that didn't believe in them, but about a group of OUTCASTS who did the same. I didn't see it in terms of gender, and I rarely do see things in terms of gender, which may be why I don't consider myself much of a feminist. But, yes, Kabir Khan was as much of a misfit as the rest of them and it was as much his battle to win as the girls.<br /><br />And really, I just thought the Mcdonalds fight scene was mainly for the lulz. ;)anitaramahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01785044882853838619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1668731454857654821.post-14365253568887290062009-06-20T17:41:34.552+03:002009-06-20T17:41:34.552+03:00I watched this and all i could just think of after...I watched this and all i could just think of afterwards was way too 'predictable'i knew they were going to win that match, i would have liked a different endingbollywooddeewanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04916533314639410268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1668731454857654821.post-74290062006783736912009-06-20T17:36:28.338+03:002009-06-20T17:36:28.338+03:00I never said men don't suffer from it, and nev...I never said men don't suffer from it, and never meant to imply that. It's simply that the inverse isn't too relevant in the situation. (And of course, it's less common for men to get sexually harrassed. Which is not to undermine the issue but simply to say women experiencing it is far, far more common.)veracioushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14437521137603205617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1668731454857654821.post-89387271398108593192009-06-20T17:13:52.771+03:002009-06-20T17:13:52.771+03:00This comment has been removed by the author.Bollywoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11296407098387050782noreply@blogger.com